“I want more experience. We can sell the things we make. I’ve got grandchildren. I take them to school and I try to teach them the things I learn. They need skills to make money. There aren’t enough jobs. In the last 10-20 years, things have got very difficult. Here, at Phakamisa, you make friends. When you are old, you must talk with someone. I’m older. I have no more time. My grandchildren must get an education so I help them.”